Why Gratitude Can Pay Dividends

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DANO WEIR: This episode's on gratitude. Welcome inside the Sonoma Wealth Conference Room off the Sonoma Square. This is It's All Money, powered by Sonoma Wealth Advisors. I'm Dan O'Weir, your host, and joined by Daren Blonski, CFP, AIF, and the rest of his alphabet soup of letters.

DANO WEIR: And today, in the spirit of Thanksgiving and the holiday season, we wanted to do an episode on gratitude and being thankful. Why gratitude matters. And why it can, in some cases, affect your life, your business, your health. And Daren, I know this is a particularly important issue for you because it's a core value of our company, and it's something that you practice every day.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Try to.

DANO WEIR: I found some actual data. Rather than just sitting around and talking about how great it is to be mindful and be thankful, there's a great write-up on mindful.org. The author is Misty Pratt. Nice work, Misty, which pulls from a study from UC Berkeley. So. Robert Emmons, who's a professor of psychology. He's at Davis, alumni.

DANO WEIR: He's one of the world's leading experts on the science of gratitude. He defines gratitude as having two parts. The first is an affirmation of goodness. People can learn to wake up to the good around them and notice the gifts that they've received. And the second part of gratitude is recognizing that the source of this goodness rests outside of oneself.

DANO WEIR: And that's the part that really resonates with me. Which is what resonates with you about that there there it took a long time for me to get out of my own head and my own body right I spent probably the first 20 years of my life just very focused on you just locked in this head and when I started realizing like how many people are really out there and how many things tangentially end up affecting your life.

DANO WEIR: And they're just trying to do their best. And when things go right at Disneyland, it's because somebody checked the safety, somebody cleaned the floors, somebody took your ticket, somebody do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Once I started really processing all that, I was like, whoa, this is awesome. You know?

DANO WEIR: And some people never come to that realization. Some people never have that.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: They don't.

DANO WEIR: Yeah.

DANO WEIR: So that's how he defines it. He defines it in two parts.

DANO WEIR: There's some research published in the last decade that's shown that grateful people have fewer common health complaints, such as headaches, digestion issues, respiratory infections, runny noses, dizziness, and sleep problems. And it appears that practicing gratitude could also help alleviate the pesky health problems.

DANO WEIR: In one study, a group of college students who wrote about things they were grateful for, for once per week for 10 weeks, reported fewer physical symptoms like those headaches compared to the two other control groups.

DANO WEIR: So in some cases, having gratitude can actually physically help you, which seems insane. So as someone who practices gratitude and as someone who is thankful, you know, have you did that? Was that always the case for you? Did that start at a certain age? Like I was just talking about what what's your story there?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: So funny, just a quick side story. I was, I forget where I was. I think I actually might've been at Disneyland. I find Disneyland incredibly boring in general, right? Like it's okay, but it's just like, dude, like too many people.

DANO WEIR: We gotta talk.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Yeah. So anyway, it's not my place. It's any day to be in the mountains on a river fly fishing.

DANO WEIR: Trying to get to Disneyland. This is the goal that we're trying to get to.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I understand, but I love spending time with my children because they'll hang out. They'll just be there. And so I was just sitting there waiting for in a line or something. And I'm like, hey, let's do it. Let's do it. Just do an exercise, guys. Let's just all put smiles on our face.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Just regardless. You have to have no reason to smile. I just want you all to smile. And I want you to see if there's an emotional affect inside of you that happens. And of course, my 14 year old said, dad, that's dumb. Okay. But. It was interesting. So I did that for a little while and I kind of feel like an idiot. It was like, Hey, I'm happy. I'm happy.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: But there is like, you can literally like feel it in your chest when you just put that smile on your face and you're like, Hey, I'm happy. Like, I'm grateful to be here with my kids. I'm grateful for this opportunity. Like kids, people wait their whole life to be at Disneyland. I've been there way too much in my life because everyone in my family loves it, but me.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And so I go, but whatever the situation in life is, we can have a reframe moment. And that's how I look at it, right? I went through just actually recently, the last couple of years, losing my dad. And then within three weeks, losing my brother and feeling like my whole family was literally just wiped off the face of the earth in a matter of flash.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: That's been a really hard thing. But what I've learned is just that reframing of like, I can be grateful for the time I have now. I can be grateful for the 40 years I got with my brother. I can be grateful for the 40 years I got with my dad. Like those are all things I can still be grateful for. And that's cool. And that's okay.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I don't have to sit in a place where I'm, I'll never get to tell my brother about my day again, or my dad about my week. Cause Sunday nights was my night where I would call them and talk to them like, Hey, how you doing? What's going on? And we'd share and chat. I'll never get to do that again, but I've been grateful. I can be grateful that 40 years, I got that with them, right? Cause not everyone gets that, right?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And so we always get the opportunity to reframe. So reframing with gratitude changes your life in every which way. Because the reality is we can all pile on to the woe is me and things don't go our way. Like, I don't know about you, Dan, but like, I thought my life was going to go a certain way. I thought it was going to happen like this.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And then I started hitting my thirties and my mid thirties and my late thirties. And now into my forties, I'm like, you know, it didn't go like I thought it was going to go. And there was like this moment of like disbelief, this like sadness that came over me that like, it didn't go how I thought it was going to go. And I had a I've had a great life and it still didn't go how I thought it was going to go.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And for a while, I think in my late thirties, that really pulled on me hard. And then I started thinking a lot about that. And I said, well, you know, like it doesn't go how you want it to go. That's life. Like we don't get to control all these variables. All we get to do is control how we respond.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And that's, I think Viktor Frankl in the book is Our Search for Happiness, I believe is the title of the book. And he talks about the last ultimate freedom. Which is to choose how we respond to the world. And so my choice is to choose to respond with gratitude. Doesn't mean I'm good at it all the time. I fail all the time. But as a whole, on an average, I try to respond to the world with gratitude.

DANO WEIR: It's hard for me because I've done both. I've lived both. And I think what the hardest thing is for me is that in order to accomplish really anything, it's a grind. I mean... No one wants you to do or achieve anything. Everything is fighting you.

DANO WEIR: You're driving somewhere, it's fighting you. Like you get there and the work is not easy. Everything, for me at least, is just this, it's just like that, that is like, it's chopping down a tree with a hatchet. It's just, it's just, right? So.

DANO WEIR: And that's how I accomplish a lot of things is that kind of really just like hard work. But that can leave you in such, if you are always that way, if you always have the mentality that it takes to achieve certain things, you can find yourself only focused on the negative parts.

DANO WEIR: Right? So if you have a tactical approach to things, right? And it's always like. You gotta get this done, gotta get that done, gotta get this done. Well, I did that, but it's not as good in it because it could be better, better, better, better, better.

DANO WEIR: If you stay in that space, then you end up in this really kind of burnt out place. But my challenge and what's hard for me is the opposite is if you're just blissful and you just have like, oh, this is great, this is really great. Like I worry that I'm not gonna get anything done because I'll just be, if I'm just sort of like, hey.

DANO WEIR: You know, then it's so, so for me, what my challenge has been, has been to keep that intense mentality to be tasked and accomplish things, but still have that, those moments along the way where you stop and you look and you go, this is really cool, right?

DANO WEIR: This is really awesome. And I really did that. It could have been better. But I really did that. So that's how it's been for me. You're giving me a furrow brow. So I didn't know. Were you not ready for that answer?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I wasn't ready for it. No, no, I'm totally ready for that answer. But I think I'm going to push back on you a little bit. And here's how I'm going to push back a little bit.

DANO WEIR: Is it? You're saying it's easy?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I'm not saying it's easy. But I'm going to say it's your choice. And you choose to make it not easy. So, okay, now roll with me for a SEC, okay? So, 32. Probably some like 43 now, I think it was 32 ish. I'm driving over on highway 12. I've done the drive between Sonoma and highway 12.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Like, I was driving that road back when it was single lane each way. Like I've been doing this for 30 years. I don't know what it is, but I'm driving. I'm thinking one morning, I know exactly where I was. I was driving right over that bridge. And there's the Vinter who's crushing the big statue in Napa. And I was right there. And it dawned on me.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: This thought that, I don't know why it took me 32 years to figure this out, but it dawned on me that it's all a story, man.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Every little piece of us is a story. Like we think about our ego and who our ego is. I'm going to kind of go off into the wooly and then we'll come back. And the idea is that we wake up in the morning and we have all these stories about who we are and what we are and what life is and what life is not. And we project it onto this white screen. And we project it up there and we find and play our role with our ego in that screen.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And I realized that it is all a story that I can manufacture, change, shift, adjust that story at any point. That is a choice. I might not be conscious fully of that narrative in which I spin and tell myself, but I have that choice. And I'm making that choice as hard as it is not to make that choice sometimes because it's really dang hard, but I'm still choosing.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And that's that last ultimate freedom Viktor Frankl talks about. Like. I still have the choice to choose on how I frame this thing. And so when we, if, and that's where I'm going to push back a little bit, if you're framing your world as it's a struggle, guess what the world's going to give you a struggle because that's what you're going to see.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: That's what your ego is going to, whatever you want to call it, project onto the screen. And then how your role plays within that. It's hard. It's difficult. It's a fight. It's I'm having to do this. And when I realized that it was like this. Aha moment that broke me in a way. It broke me in a way because I knew I could no longer be a victim to my story, that I had to accept that's just a story, man.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I'm living this way because I choose. And so like yesterday, for example, I was thinking about like, man, I'm working a lot of hours. I'm pushing hard. And is that the story I want to tell? Is this what I want to do with my life? Is that what I want to offer to life?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And I got a chance to reframe that, think about it and like, okay, yeah, I love what I do. I love who I'm working with. I love these things. I'm going to keep doing it. So part of gratitude for me is understanding that I have absolute control on how I frame everything in my mind and the world delivers to me what I ask it to deliver. And it's Chris and I are my partner in the business.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Chris Sipes and I were talking about this. You have to get his take on it. Maybe next time he's in, he's here. But we were talking about this idea and he's like, you know, it's, I think he said something to the tune to me. Like, you know, when you realize that it's like you choose everything, like it's this most powerful feeling and this most disempowering feeling.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And like, it's that moment that you're like, holy crap, I'm responsible for all this. And it was like, you have to be so careful what you ask for. Because if you even set that intention out into the world when you wake up in the morning, dude, world's going to bring it to you, man.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: It's going to bring it right back at you. And a lot of people call this the law of attraction, whatever. I don't want to get mixed up in the hooey hooey of it. The reality is what we put out into the world comes right back the way we ask it to. And we've got to be really thoughtful, really careful about what we put out.

DANO WEIR: Well, what changed for me was when I started long distance running, because I did have up through my twenties, I had a lot of that, that struggle mentality. And in my thirties, I started long distance running, you know, four, six, 10, 20, 30 miles.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Dan, by the way, is one of those guys like, oh, I haven't trained in like three weeks and then runs a marathon goes, I feel fine. Yeah. That's Dan.

DANO WEIR: That's about all I can do. Yeah. Can't do three pull-ups.

DANO WEIR: And what. But what that brought for me, even a four-mile run, is it just takes all that kind of struggle mentality and it nukes it. And that's what this data here, UC Berkeley, Dr.

DANO WEIR: Emiliana Simon says that the parasympathetic nervous system can be engaged when you... Start practicing gratitude. And so I think for me, when I started engaging it physically, right? It sort of showed me again how to use that nervous system, right?

DANO WEIR: So then when I would be done, you'd be like, oh, okay. I now am able to bring it in without the running and I still run, but I'm able to, things still happen. Things are still struggle.

DANO WEIR: Things are also fine. And I'm able to find a peace and a calm and a gratitude. For just about anything, there's very few things that can just fully push me off my Mark, which has been a huge change for me in the last five years. It's taken a lot of work, but it does come from a place of, you know, trying to really focus on what the positives are.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Yeah. Well, I think, I think you also bring up a good point that it's a muscle like anything else. Right. So my son Brighton, he's like, dad, I want to run faster and cross country. I'm like, well, we got to start doing speed training. So I take him out the track and we do sprints and then 30 second breaks and then sprint again.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And we started doing it. And by the end of the season, he was placing high. He was doing much better. And, what I told him is like, you just have to teach your body how to function at that level. It knows it does. Just doesn't know how, but it can. And that's the David Goggins, like we're only operating at 40% of our capacity at any given time.

DANO WEIR: Right, right, right.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And, and that gratitude muscle is the same thing, man. Like, it's just, what you did is you taught your body through running that and how to go there and find the peaceful valley, as I call it. And you found that and then like, oh, I know how to get there. I'll get there when I'm not there. And that's, I can do that because my muscle is stronger.

DANO WEIR: So let's, let's flip forward a little bit. Cause we have, I want to talk about how this might apply in business. So you, as a financial advisor, you work with clients and you can see gratitude both from them and yourself every single day. So do you have any stories where gratitude is interacted, intersected in your business world?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Yeah, you know, there's lots of them. And I would think one of the most.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Meaningful examples of the power of gratitude. And I can share his name now because he's passed on and his name was Frank. And Frank was always the very jolly man, happy. He would come and, oh, how are you? And just really sincere and just seemed to butterfly through life, right?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Just flew through it, right? Or flowed through it, I guess would be the right word. And so one day Frank comes to myself and Rose who worked with me at the time and says, you know, The doctor just said, I've got, you know, maybe months, six months, maybe tops to live.

DANO WEIR: Rose still works with us.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: She does still work with us. That's right. But at the time it was just Rose and I. I see. And said, you know, hey, I've maybe got six months to live. I've got a brain, very aggressive brain tumor and I'm not going to make it guys. And it was just this like punch. Like, here's this dude that's super grateful, kind, like, man, how do bad things happen to good people kind of moment, you know?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And Frank lived, let me try to think. So I think he lived another six or seven years after that moment. And I just watched him and I watched how he moved through that cancer diagnosis and the chemotherapy and the treatment and how it just kept going. And here's a man who went from months to live and lived in our six to seven years, somewhat through modern medical. But I don't think the most powerful factor I saw in that.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Process is like Frank was just grateful man he was just light through life like he was just flowed through life and happy to be here and happy to see you and happy almost kind of like golden retriever status you know but that taught me a powerful lesson that like if we can harness that energy in our life we're going to get a lot further and that's true with business too right it's like when we're in our relationships with our co-workers in our relationships with our partners in our if we can be grateful for what people offer to us.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Like people give more. I found that anytime I'm in a tit for tat relationship where we're nickel and diming each other, like the relationship breaks down. So what I try to do is just walk in with gratitude with all these relationships.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: It doesn't always work and sometimes I'm awful at it, but I try to, and I try to say, man, I'm just really grateful for what you bring, what you offer, what you're presenting to us. And, um... The contribution of value that you offer the organization to employees, to clients, to partners. And that's really paid off dividends in business. And I think, frankly, gratitude is good business.

DANO WEIR: I have a story I want to share. And it's, you know, I was trying to find an excuse to talk about football.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: We knew you was coming, Dan. Oh, we knew it was coming.

DANO WEIR: So This is a story I learned from one of the greatest wide receivers, top 10 wide receiver in NFL history. His name is Larry Fitzgerald. He played for the Cardinals, went to one Super Bowl, and has many, many, many records. There's a great series on NFL Network called A Football Life, which is a documentary put together by NFL Films.

DANO WEIR: Not going to show the clips because I don't want to get the copyright strike, but you can find it. It's not hard to find. And they did a documentary on Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald, like I said, top 10 all time. He's going to be a Hall Of Famer. He has made $182 million in just salary alone in the NFL in 16 years.

DANO WEIR: $182 million man. And as I'm watching this documentary episode, they started talking about how When he's out and about, when he's anywhere, he's constantly asking people's questions. He's constantly talking to people. He knows who people's kids are. He's asking, how's your, how's so-and-so doing? He's interested in them.

DANO WEIR: And that made a huge impression on me because I went, here's a guy who, you know, is worth $182 million and he's not arrogant. He's not self-absorbed. He's not sitting there. Just, you don't even get to talk to me. He's out. Talking. He wants to know. He wants to be, he's grateful. He wants to have human connection.

DANO WEIR: And there was just something about it that just really struck me in a way that said, you know, I would like to be like that in my life. And not that I wasn't, but just, it was a reminder of, it's really, I'll tell you another story. I went one time is the, before it was Whole Foods in Petaluma, it was called Food For Thought. It's their grocery store.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: But before it was that.

DANO WEIR: It was-Carl's Market.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Yeah, dude, that was my dig.

DANO WEIR: And you almost called it Carl's Jr. I did.

DANO WEIR: And I remember I went to the meat counter one time and going to get a steak. Yep. And I walked up and I was like, I walked up and the guy goes, the guy behind the counter goes, hey, how you doing? And I go, I'll get a, and I start going into my order. And he goes, hey, I said, how are you doing? And it was like, like.

DANO WEIR: Idiot. Locked in my own head, right? There's another moment where it's just like, listen to what people are saying. Be here and respond to people. You can't fully, you can't tell your life story every time you bump into someone at the meat counter, but you can respect them. You can ask them questions.

DANO WEIR: And sometimes some of those moments, you're grateful for little connections with people and they end up playing into your career. They end up playing into business. You will, in my opinion. End up in a better place in your life financially, emotionally, physically, if you practice that kind of gratitude.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: But I think you also have to do it with an honest intention that you're not out there to get something out of people, because we all know those people too, that like, all right, what's the angle? Right. Because you're coming at me with an angle here. Right. And I think sometimes people use caring about other people as angling towards people.

DANO WEIR: It's just the front.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: It's the front, right? Have you ever heard that, I don't know if it's a saying. When people, I've heard that, you know, the first 20 years of your life, you think everybody's thinking about you. The next 20 years of your life, you realize they're not thinking about you. And the third 20 years of your life, you're wishing people were thinking about you.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And that kind of thought or principle, what I realized as kind of going through that, thinking that this was the world and growing up and it was all about what I see, realizing that most people don't spend time thinking about other people. They think about themselves.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: So you can go through this world and be genuinely curious and interested in people and what they're doing. And like this dude, it's a superpower. It's a total superpower because most people are so obsessed with what they're doing. Yeah. And if you learn that and generally do it from a caring, heartful place, it's a superpower by far.

DANO WEIR: I'll share one more story. So in 2018, I completely lost my voice. Not like I had laryngitis, like, oh, it's scratchy. Like it was one of those full on, like for six months, I could not speak right. It was, I was unable to have speech.

DANO WEIR: And so I do what I always do when I end up with a mysterious health diagnosis. I get acupuncture. So I'm a big fan of acupuncture. And so I was working in Santa Rosa at the time. Oh, by the way, I was working on the radio at the time. I was a radio personality. So losing your voice is a pretty big deal.

DANO WEIR: So I was Googling and just trying to find an acupuncturist because my doctor was not giving me an answer that was, they basically just said, oh, you know, have some tea. They couldn't really find anything functionally wrong with it. So I go to see my acupuncturist. I go to see this acupuncturist. Her name's Annette.

DANO WEIR: And.

DANO WEIR: It was so bad that I was actually typing to her exactly what was happening and then showing her my phone.

DANO WEIR: She said, I don't know if I can help, but I can try. And she really listened to me.

DANO WEIR: And I went back and I went back and she really honed in on what was going on with me and really gave great care.

DANO WEIR: And eventually I did get better.

DANO WEIR: When I have run into other people experiencing. Sort of problems that I think acupuncture might help, I say, go see her. And I say, go see her because she helped me.

DANO WEIR: I say that to say, I have gratitude for what she did for me, one. But two, she focused on trying to do her best for me. And look how it benefited her business. Look how many people I say, hey, go see her. She helped me, right?

DANO WEIR: And that happens so often in financial services as well. So when you're leading from a place of, how can I do the absolute best for this client? How can I do the absolute best for this person from the right place? It can pay dividends.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: So in the financial services world, there's always this thing like ask for referrals. You know, and so the first part of my career, I was like, okay, I'm gonna ask for referrals. Here we go. Hey, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, do you think you could, you know, like, it's just this awkward thing and you make the client feel awkward and you feel awkward. And then eventually I just said, no, I'm not going to ask for referrals.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: What I'm going to do is I'm going to take care of the people in front of me. I'm going to do the very best I can. And I always say, you're welcome to share us, but we're not going to share you. And that's as much as I ever say to people. But it's just that idea when, like the wealthy, they say, teach their children to create value. And then let money follow. And that's the same thing with Annette.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: She creates value and the money follows. And that's another superpower. Like when you're focused on creating value and you're grateful, and that's how you show up to commerce, money flows. It just does. Look at every person like we've talked to on this show that has that and understands that spirit. It's gratitude. It's creating value and being a good hearted person. The money will come. It's just how it works.

DANO WEIR: So we've talked about gratitude. It's Thanksgiving season. So what is something in your life that you're grateful for?

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Well, I mean, first, family. Obviously, that's kind of the throwaway answer, but I think family is everything. Your loved ones, however you define that. I mean, they are my world.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And then secondly, I'd say just the people I work with. We've really worked hard at this organization to bring good people into it. You know that.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Good hearts and and want to care for people and take care of people and i'd say that's generally who we have and i'm grateful to work with those people because every day it's a joy like you go to work and they're like your friends you talk to them you know like it's it just has a good energy about it it doesn't mean there's not bang ups and we're not figuring it out all the time but it generally you can show up and say these are good people that have a good heart for me.

DANO WEIR: I'll say similar to you, family and specifically health. I will always come back to that. You know, I'll, I'll, the, I am grateful for, you know, we're not without health issues, but, there are certainly people who have faced far, far more challenging and luckily my family has not encountered that. So, I'll say that. And then a fun one that I, you're just, don't laugh.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I won't.

DANO WEIR: I am grateful for the 49Ers because, and here's why.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: I knew it was coming.

DANO WEIR: I knew it was coming. Here's why. Football twice on this episode.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: He wanted to make all this about football, but we had to rein him in a little bit.

DANO WEIR: It's something that my friends and I and people I don't know, it's a common language. Yeah. And the time and the discussions that we have around this particular topic, the topic's irrelevant. It could be Broadway. It could be Chaucer. It could be art. It could be anything.

DANO WEIR: It could be the market. But it's just something that we all kind of come around. Can you believe this happened? I heard this. That actual conversation is just worth its weight in gold. I mean, it's just so, I'm so grateful to have something like that.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: So you hold on to those 16 games a year.

DANO WEIR: 17 now.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: 17 now. Like those are moments for you, each one of them. Yeah.

DANO WEIR: Yeah.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: And it's playing out each one when you're going to do it. And when you're not.

DANO WEIR: We try to dial it back a little bit cause it can get a little bit too much. Yeah. But it's it's it's they're great memories and, and something I can have my kids involved into. Yeah.

DAREN BLONSKI CFP®: Awesome.

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